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Sep 17 12:16:15 <Ron>	Hi, everyone!
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Sep 17 13:32:11 <Ron>	ATIS:  KBJC 171854Z 36010KT 70SM SCT080 BKN200 28/M03 A2970
Sep 17 13:32:47 <cockpit-c130>	engine start
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Sep 17 13:44:07 <cockpit-c130>	cleared for takeoff
Sep 17 13:45:12 <Ron>	take-off
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Sep 17 13:50:03 <daveR-c130>	CIndy - Errol is CVI operator. I don't know if he had a chance to check the noisy flow (which parameter?).
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Sep 17 13:51:55 <cockpit-c130>	cleared to climb to 22 kfeet
Sep 17 13:54:32 <twohy>	Dave--it's cvf1 (which affects cvf3) but text data may not update enough to be able to see it in flight...
Sep 17 13:55:12 <cockpit-c130>	cleared to level off at 12 k and 16 k for one minute
Sep 17 14:01:07 <cockpit-c130>	Estimate top of BL at about 11kfeet
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Sep 17 14:24:22 <cockpit-c130>	we are in tops of deep stratiform cloud associated with front
Sep 17 14:25:00 <cockpit-c130>	plan is to setup a spiral from present altitude -24 C near Cheyenne
Sep 17 14:25:19 <cockpit-c130>	followed by missed approach to sample below cloud air
Sep 17 14:25:37 <cockpit-c130>	after that we can head south to see if we can find wave clouds there
Sep 17 14:25:39 <twohy>	Dave, don't know if you got my earlier email but don't run cvf3cw much larger than 0.3 or you won't get the bulk of droplets...
Sep 17 14:28:55 <daveR-c130>	Cindy- yes, I got your message. Errol has it set at 0.3 now. We are doing NE-SW passes thru tops of clouds 
Sep 17 14:31:56 <daveR-c130>	with 2Dc ~10/L, Nevz twc ~0.05 g/m3
Sep 17 14:32:21 <daveR-c130>	Cindy- CVI is feeding rhtdma and cfdc at this time. 
Sep 17 14:34:09 <cockpit-c130>	starting spiral descent from -26 C at cloud top
Sep 17 14:37:46 <twohy>	Dave: Way cool! It would be good to get out of cloud a bit, if you can, to make sure you have a good baseline value w/ everyone attached.
Sep 17 14:43:59 <daveR-c130>	CIndy- during descent, CVI ~ 0.3g/m3 peaks ~same as Nevz TWC. 
Sep 17 14:44:09 <daveR-c130>	Lots of vertical structure.
Sep 17 14:45:42 <daveR-c130>	several layers of cloud. 20:45 now between layers and still descending.
Sep 17 14:45:48 <twohy>	OK, bet water's primarily in drops between 8 and 40 microns...
Sep 17 14:46:31 <cockpit-c130>	between layers, lower cloud below
Sep 17 14:48:28 <cockpit-c130>	Kelvin Hemholtz waves off right wing
Sep 17 14:51:26 <cockpit-c130>	now warmer than freezing, picking up liqid water cloud, cleared to 8k
Sep 17 14:55:08 <cockpit-c130>	will spend a few minutes below cloud base to get air sample
Sep 17 14:56:16 <daveR-c130>	Cindy- nifty profile shows ice higher up then cloud-free layer and water cloud deck below.
Sep 17 14:56:38 <daveR-c130>	Here - i'll hold up the WINDS display for you.
Sep 17 14:58:25 <cockpit-c130>	in about a minute we plan to climb toward Fort Collins, to get out of the frontal cloud and look for wave clouds
Sep 17 15:03:15 <twohy>	thanks but I will have to imagine it! Try to get some straight and level passes too...
Sep 17 15:20:50 <cockpit-c130>	in cloud layer at -22, mostly ice with an occasional hit of lw on rosemount
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Sep 17 15:44:28 <twohy>	Got to run--it's been fun--thanks Errol and Dave
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Sep 17 15:49:19 <schanot>	I see that you found a wave with no cloud.  What is the plan now?
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Sep 17 15:50:46 <daniels>	the plan must be to ignore you, Allen :-)
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Sep 17 15:55:17 <cockpit-c130>	found warm wave cloud setting up midcloud pass at 11k
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Sep 17 16:06:27 <cockpit-c130>	dropped down to 10k to make pass under last cloud
Sep 17 16:06:42 <cockpit-c130>	rather confused wind pattern with lots of shear here
Sep 17 16:07:13 <cockpit-c130>	note that cloud at 10k had 800 cm-3 from the fssp
Sep 17 16:07:49 <cockpit-c130>	cloud at 11k had only 260 cm-3, maybe different layers
Sep 17 16:13:13 <schanot>	Are you seeing much liquid water?  Looks like the new King probe is not responding to much.
Sep 17 16:26:55 <cockpit-c130>	we are orbiting in cloud for a cvi/tdma sample, there will be some straight and some turns
Sep 17 16:27:08 <cockpit-c130>	liquid water is a few tenths
Sep 17 16:27:27 <cockpit-c130>	Bill says the king probe that was changed is inop
Sep 17 16:36:45 <daveR-c130>	ALlen- for the last 20 minutes or so in warm cloud (+3C), NTWC = plwcf = plwcc1.
Sep 17 16:36:59 <daveR-c130>	and NLWC is about 40% lower. 
Sep 17 16:40:00 <schanot>	Dave: sounds consistant with previous flights.
Sep 17 16:41:14 <schanot>	Intersesting cloud development in this system.  After clouds form they move off to the NE.  New stuff forms on a SW-NE line
Sep 17 16:42:08 <schanot>	furhter to the south.  Note that sfc front passed near takeoff.  Gusting northerlies with dropping temps.
Sep 17 16:45:11 <cockpit-c130>	going home
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Sep 17 16:51:57 <schanot>	Expect significant crosswind landing.
Sep 17 16:54:41 <Ron>	ATIS:  KBJCG 172248Z 35024G32KT 15SM BKN050 BKN120 16/06 A2985 RMK PRESRR
Sep 17 17:00:58 <Ron>	landing
Sep 17 17:01:18 <Ron>	(actually on RAF tarmac)
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