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Sep 05 13:20:55 <jpfugal-c130>	Hey stuart, I got your camera feed up here. They haven't started the left engines yet.
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Sep 05 13:23:23 <cockpit-c130>	testing
Sep 05 13:24:13 <jpfugal-c130>	Stuart, is your camera still 1 fps?
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Sep 05 13:26:16 <beaton>	Jacob, It will be storing images at one frame per second, but it you point a web browser to it you should get about 10 fps. I don't know what the address is on the plane, if it is still 128.113.84.70.
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Sep 05 13:27:31 <cockpit-c130>	atis 1855 120/3 >5 t=30 td=4
Sep 05 13:27:41 <beaton>	jacob, Oh, now that I read previous messages, I see you already see the camera
Sep 05 13:29:37 <Ron>	ATIS KBJC 051855Z 12003KT 30SM SCT060 SCT200 30/04 A3023
Sep 05 13:31:33 <jpfugal-c130>	What was that Ron?
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Sep 05 13:34:43 <Ron>	ATIS current weather conditions at Jeffco (expansion of cockpit atis)
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Sep 05 13:39:39 <Ron>	Takeoff
Sep 05 13:42:39 <jpfugal-c130>	going to 8000 feet
Sep 05 13:45:23 <jpfugal-c130>	going to 16000 feet
Sep 05 13:45:52 <cockpit-c130>	top of bl near 12.5 k feet
Sep 05 14:04:09 <jpfugal-c130>	Laser is still alive and well.
Sep 05 14:06:30 <jpfugal-c130>	Hey Ron, I would chat more but none of my folks on the ground are on chat.
Sep 05 14:06:57 <Ron>	Jacob, can we get Raymond to join us?
Sep 05 14:10:36 <jpfugal-c130>	Raymond is not available, but my friend Alex at 906-370-3208 might need help connecting. Could you call him and get that set up. He helped us fix the laser and is probably anxious to see how it's going.
Sep 05 14:25:51 <Ron>	Jacob,  I'm on the phone with him now, and he's trying to bring up our web page
Sep 05 14:26:31 <jpfugal-c130>	Wonderful!!
Sep 05 14:33:44 <Ron>	Jacob,  I'm setting him up as a new participant so he can chat.
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Sep 05 14:36:43 <Ron>	Welcome Alex!
Sep 05 14:37:02 <alex>	just checking
Sep 05 14:37:23 <jpfugal-c130>	Hey Alex.
Sep 05 14:37:29 <jpfugal-c130>	Laser is fine. Condensation on the windows.
Sep 05 14:37:32 <alex>	so it works
Sep 05 14:38:06 <alex>	I meen chat
Sep 05 14:40:20 <jpfugal-c130>	Usually right about now the laser would begin to flicker and then die.
Sep 05 14:40:40 <jpfugal-c130>	We normally have to turn up the gain, but not yet. Looks like your circuit is saving the laser.
Sep 05 14:41:04 <alex>	I like it
Sep 05 14:41:28 <alex>	I hope it can continue longer
Sep 05 14:42:26 <jpfugal-c130>	So if it weren't for this dang condensation on the windows we could get pictures of droplets.
Sep 05 14:44:02 <jpfugal-c130>	I found that by triggering the camera with the laser and the shutter set for 10, almost no missing frames (miss 1 in 5 seconds maybe).
Sep 05 14:44:35 <alex>	I thought you deal with condensation by changing the shape of the cover for the window and it was succesful
Sep 05 14:46:16 <jpfugal-c130>	No we added heaters and dessicant on the mirror side.
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Sep 05 14:49:02 <jpfugal-c130>	Hi Cindy,
Sep 05 14:49:14 <jpfugal-c130>	Hey, Alex, do you know what dessicant is?
Sep 05 14:51:21 <alex>	I guess I think it is somethig that you stir on the window to prevent sticking droplets to the window
Sep 05 14:51:46 <alex>	Is it something like what you put on the car when you polish it
Sep 05 14:52:03 <jpfugal-c130>	Close.
Sep 05 14:52:10 <alex>	explain
Sep 05 14:52:25 <alex>	if there is a time
Sep 05 14:52:37 <jpfugal-c130>	We changed the window angles to keep the droplets from being caught in turbulent eddies.
Sep 05 14:52:58 <alex>	I got it ,thanks
Sep 05 14:53:01 <jpfugal-c130>	The dessicant is stuff that absorbs moisture. We stuck it inside the arm of the probe to prevent condensation on the inside of the window.
Sep 05 14:53:12 <jpfugal-c130>	We then added heaters to keep condensation off the outside of the window.
Sep 05 14:53:32 <alex>	o'key
Sep 05 14:54:00 <alex>	how's laser and camera?
Sep 05 14:54:11 <jpfugal-c130>	Now camera side has 350 W of heat and camera side has 270 W.
Sep 05 14:54:39 <jpfugal-c130>	Camera freezes now and then and has to be restarted by changing it's trigger source and frame rate. It's someting wrong with the camera program and driver for Windows.
Sep 05 14:55:09 <jpfugal-c130>	Laser looks normal. 
Sep 05 14:55:32 <jpfugal-c130>	Condensation only covers bottom half of screen where it did cover bottom 5/6 of screen.
Sep 05 14:57:02 <alex>	do you see any particles at all
Sep 05 14:57:40 <jpfugal-c130>	Yes we have, but not now as we're going under clouds instead of through them.
Sep 05 14:57:54 <alex>	O'key
Sep 05 14:58:04 <jpfugal-c130>	It is so amazing that the laser still works.
Sep 05 14:58:15 <alex>	here we go
Sep 05 14:58:17 <jpfugal-c130>	Bright as ever. No change in gain.
Sep 05 14:58:22 <jpfugal-c130>	Are you leavning?
Sep 05 14:58:27 <alex>	no
Sep 05 14:59:14 <jpfugal-c130>	We're turning around to go above cloud base so I should see some particles.
Sep 05 15:00:51 <jpfugal-c130>	Alex, has Ron showed you how to see the web page that shows where the plane is, outside temp, and such?
Sep 05 15:01:23 <jpfugal-c130>	Ron, Alex will be here in a week. It'd be worthwhile education for him to learn ION.
Sep 05 15:01:59 <alex>	he called me and explaind  how to chat with and he was very helpfull
Sep 05 15:02:28 <jpfugal-c130>	Hey Ron, would you care to call him again? (906-370-3208)
Sep 05 15:02:32 <alex>	thank Ron
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Sep 05 15:05:19 <alex>	I have to be out for 5 min
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Sep 05 15:10:35 <alex>	I am here 
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Sep 05 15:10:47 <jpfugal-c130>	Are you there Alex?
Sep 05 15:10:52 <alex>	yes
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Sep 05 15:11:37 <jpfugal-c130>	Have you talked to Ron at all about ION (the web page that shows the airplane's position?
Sep 05 15:11:46 <alex>	no
Sep 05 15:11:57 <jpfugal-c130>	Maybe's he's gone.
Sep 05 15:12:34 <jpfugal-c130>	Anyway, we're at 21000 feet going through another small cumulus cloud.
Sep 05 15:13:21 <alex>	is laser still stable ?
Sep 05 15:14:22 <jpfugal-c130>	Yep. I'll have to say I'm sorry to Dr. Jin as we won't be sending his laser back to him like we have after every flight we've been on so far.
Sep 05 15:14:24 <jpfugal-c130>	I hope.
Sep 05 15:16:39 <jpfugal-c130>	Going t hrough the cloud.
Sep 05 15:19:22 <jpfugal-c130>	That was a wimpy cloud.
Sep 05 15:19:30 <jpfugal-c130>	 We're looking for a bigger one.
Sep 05 15:19:39 <jpfugal-c130>	Condensation is bottom 1/6 of screen.
Sep 05 15:20:31 <jpfugal-c130>	 Laser is still working like a dream.
Sep 05 15:22:21 <jpfugal-c130>	condensation is completely off the windows now.
Sep 05 15:22:34 <jpfugal-c130>	It left behind some deposits it looks like though.
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Sep 05 15:24:53 <daveR-c130>	Forward DSM serial seems dead for a while. No nephs or Climet data.
Sep 05 15:25:05 <alex>	Jacob ,I am back I just talke to Ron but as usualy by computer mouse got stuck an I can noty brouse the window but he gave me directions how to find infornation about position of the plane and so on
Sep 05 15:25:34 <alex>	That i s defenatly a good news abot the laser
Sep 05 15:26:26 <alex>	I am trying to fix my mouse
Sep 05 15:29:38 <jpfugal-c130>	Sorry about the mouse.
Sep 05 15:29:56 <jpfugal-c130>	Probably isn't an optical mouse, yah?
Sep 05 15:30:32 <alex>	it is
Sep 05 15:30:48 <jpfugal-c130>	Is it wireless and having battery trouble?
Sep 05 15:31:01 <jpfugal-c130>	What else could go wrong with it? driver probls?
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Sep 05 15:33:43 <alex>	I fixed the mouse but I have lost connection with for a short time,how is it going?
Sep 05 15:34:44 <jpfugal-c130>	 No problems now. Laser fine. Condensation gone. Oh, but the camera program freezes every few minutes.
Sep 05 15:35:43 <alex>	do you have any idea what it could be?
Sep 05 15:37:18 <jpfugal-c130>	It's a non critical problem as I can restart it by just changing speeds. I have a few ideas. It's all Point Grey FlyCapture and Microsoft Visual C++ stuff.
Sep 05 15:39:06 <alex>	may be the camera does not like external signal somehow?
Sep 05 15:43:29 <alex>	how much time do you still have to fly?
Sep 05 15:44:23 <jpfugal-c130>	We're going home now.
Sep 05 15:44:29 <jpfugal-c130>	Maybe 45 minutes.
Sep 05 15:45:01 <jpfugal-c130>	I think the camera problem is practically all software. I'm using an alpha version of the driver and some new features that aren't proven yet.
Sep 05 15:45:11 <jpfugal-c130>	Condensation is coming back.
Sep 05 15:45:41 <alex>	So ,what is your impression about the collected data this time
Sep 05 15:46:44 <jpfugal-c130>	condensation ruined a lot of it I do have some good stuff.
Sep 05 15:47:07 <jpfugal-c130>	I need to see if the dessicant near the mirror is saturated. 
Sep 05 15:47:19 <jpfugal-c130>	I think this condensation is inside.
Sep 05 15:49:32 <jpfugal-c130>	We're at 17000 feet.
Sep 05 15:50:01 <alex>	do you think it is condensation problem due to gradient of temperature or there is a sticking problem,I meant to say that the droplets with some definite size from the clouds are sticking no the window and can not be removed by vorticity of the air created close by the window?
Sep 05 15:52:01 <jpfugal-c130>	Droplets aren't sticking very much.
Sep 05 15:52:03 <alex>	do you see the constant pattern on your screen
Sep 05 15:52:37 <jpfugal-c130>	I think it's the high dewpoint inside the cavity that has the mirror that lends to condensation on the window which conducts the heat the worse.
Sep 05 15:52:46 <jpfugal-c130>	Yes it is a constant pattern.
Sep 05 15:54:23 <alex>	can you save it and substruct after that
Sep 05 15:55:07 <jpfugal-c130>	It is very constant so that is rather likely.
Sep 05 15:55:28 <jpfugal-c130>	I guess my main focus is now to fix the camera program.
Sep 05 15:55:38 <jpfugal-c130>	I'm not even sure we need to add on the circuit this is working so nice. 
Sep 05 15:56:04 <jpfugal-c130>	NO missing frames. I have the camera triggered from the laser and lengthened the exposure time a bit.
Sep 05 15:58:01 <alex>	Did you mean that we do not need to build that devider in addition to my curcuit?
Sep 05 15:59:18 <Ron>	ATIS BJCG 052145Z 03006KT 30/03 A3013
Sep 05 15:59:57 <jpfugal-c130>	It is not mission critical now. It would be a nice convenience. The camera freezing is rather annoying but is also not mission critical.
Sep 05 16:00:10 <jpfugal-c130>	Both the circuit and camera programs have workarounds that allow us to still take data.
Sep 05 16:01:22 <alex>	what is your plan for next days in general?
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Sep 05 16:15:31 <Ron>	Dave, how are things going?
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Sep 05 16:18:03 <Ron>	C-130 arrived at RAF tarmac
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