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Nov 25 06:26 -- <hercules-c130> Prepareing to Taxi.
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Nov 25 06:31 -- <hercules-c130> Preparing for takeoff. Now hold short of runway.Nov 25 06:33 -- <hercules-c130> Taking the runway, holding for taffic.
Nov 25 06:33 -- <hercules-c130> Cleared for takeoff
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Nov 25 07:04 -- <hercules-c130> Back up.
Nov 25 07:04 -- <hercules-c130> We are about 1/2 hr from Warterton where we will do a missed approach.
Nov 25 07:05 -- <hercules-c130> The chat dropped off and would not come back.  It did not even try to re-establish.  Shutdown chat and then it tried to establish but could not. Had to shutdown AC tracker to get it all working.
Nov 25 07:06 -- <hercules-c130> They are calling for low clouds with some icing at Waterton.
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Nov 25 07:18 -- <bernstein> Gentlemen, the cloud tops are probably well below you to your north.  Do you plan to dip down to 5000 or 6000 ft?  By the way, there was a PIREP of moderate clear icing out of Toronto a little while back.
Nov 25 07:19 -- <bernstein> The southern edge of the clouds to your north have the warmest tops and best chance to be water dominated.  As you go further N, the tops cool some, but should still hold SLW and perhaps more of it due to increased depth.
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Nov 25 07:22 -- <bernstein> Gentlemen, the cloud tops are probably well below you to your north.  Do you plan to dip down to 5000 or 6000 ft?  By the way, there was a PIREP of moderate clear icing out of Toronto a little while back.
Nov 25 07:23 -- <bernstein> The southern edge of the clouds to your north have the warmest tops and best chance to be water dominated.  As you go further N, the tops cool some, but should still hold SLW and perhaps more of it due to increased depth.
Nov 25 07:24 -- <hercules-c130> We are planning to drop down to about 2700 to get a leg under the cloud id=f there is not precip.
Nov 25 07:25 -- <bernstein> OK.  Here's today's plans for the other airplanes:
Nov 25 07:27 -- <bernstein> The Twin Otter plans to take off at 12:30, fly over YMX 1-2pm, refuel at YUL, do 2nd flight, then they are done.  They are flexible, though.
Nov 25 07:27 -- <bernstein> Clouds are expected to make it to YMX at about 17Z, be initially thin, but improve a bit with time.  Not great, but they should be there.
Nov 25 07:28 -- <bernstein> My best guess at SLWC would be in the 0.1-0.3 g/m3 range at cloud top.
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Nov 25 07:36 -- <hercules-c130> Now down at 2500 below cloud level.
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Nov 25 07:57 -- <bernstein> What is your plan regarding going to YMX?
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Nov 25 08:20 -- <hercules-c130> We are back.
Nov 25 08:21 -- <hercules-c130> Doing one more leg at 5000 feet. I think we mat=y then head for Mirabel.
Nov 25 08:21 -- <bernstein> OK.  Do you want me to lay out the plans for the other aircraft?
Nov 25 08:23 -- <hercules-c130> I got you earlier message has it changed since then?
Nov 25 08:23 -- <bernstein> Nope, its the same.  I can't tell if you get those messages because I see that hercules-c130 has timed out.
Nov 25 08:24 -- <bernstein> What altitudes would you fly across at?  I would suggest something around 5000 ft.
Nov 25 08:24 -- <bernstein> By the way, who am I talking with?  Jeff?
Nov 25 08:26 -- <hercules-c130> I'm not sure. They have not made that plan yet.  I will try to acknoledge all messages so you know that we got them.
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Nov 25 08:31 -- <hercules-c130> Bernstein, I don't know if you got my last.
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Nov 25 08:32 -- <hercules-c130> Is there a reason to fly to Mirabel at 5000?
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Nov 25 08:39 -- <hercules-c130> Ok back upagain.
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Nov 25 08:39 -- <hercules-c130> Still waiting for reason to fly at 5000 to Mirabel.
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Nov 25 08:40 -- <hercules-c130> Also need Twuin Otter schedual.
Nov 25 08:40 -- <hercules-c130> Prepareing to drop into cloud layer for a time, icing permiting.\
Nov 25 08:44 -- <bernstein> Sorry, I had to step out for a minute.
Nov 25 08:45 -- <bernstein> Twin Otter plans to take off at 12:30pm, arrive at YMX at 1pm (18Z).
Nov 25 08:45 -- <hercules-c130> Now in cloud level.
Nov 25 08:45 -- <bernstein> 5000 feet is a level near cloud top.  Its a good chance to sample the cloud tops and their character changes on the way to YMX.  Just an idea.
Nov 25 08:46 -- <jbj> Hi Ben, There is a worry that the C130 instrumentation can ice up too much, and therefore a cloud top transit could create problems befoire we arrive at Mirabel, if long-term supercooled conditions are experienced.
Nov 25 08:47 -- <bernstein> Could plane pop up out of cloud top into clear air to clean off the instruments?
Nov 25 08:48 -- <jbj> We had huge chunks of ice on several sensors after last flight, and it is not clear how long time de-icing would take at cold temperatures. Hallett is seriously worried about it.
Nov 25 08:49 -- <hercules-c130> Okay I got those. What is the weather at Mirabel? Is it like what we have here?
Nov 25 08:49 -- <jbj> Cowan, what is your ETA at Mirabel?
Nov 25 08:49 -- <bernstein> The water contents should not be as high during this flight.
Nov 25 08:49 -- <bernstein> Mirabel is to the east of the clouds right now.  They are moving toward them.
Nov 25 08:50 -- <bernstein> Currently scattered clouds at 3000 ft.
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Nov 25 08:52:18 <bernstein>	Clouds are present at the E end of Lk Huron and extend to just S of YOW and W of YMX.  Tops on the E end of Lk Huron are near -10C.  They are cooler to the E (-12 to -15C).
Nov 25 08:52:53 <bernstein>	Also, clouds on the E end of Lk Huron are thin.... they are thicker to the E.
Nov 25 08:53:15 <bernstein>	Some wave action is apparent at cloud top, by the way.  N/S oriented waves.
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Nov 25 08:58:20 <bernstein>	I'm calling the SATCOM now to try to coordinate things.
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Nov 25 09:02:26 <jbj>	Ben, I just had a call from Hallett - they will return to Cleveland in 20 minutes; i.e. they will not go to Mirabel unless you or George has any strong objections.
Nov 25 09:03:39 <bernstein>	Hold on... let me check.  No luck with the SATCOM, by the way.
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Nov 25 09:06:28 <hercules-c130>	Ok, back up again.  Satphone locked up and had to be turned off.
Nov 25 09:07:48 <bernstein>	I'm having a little conf call with Jan & George & Tom Ratvasky.
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Nov 25 09:16:53 <jbj>	Jorgen) to discuss?
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Nov 25 09:19:32 <jbj>	Cowan, please get Hallett to phone me, Jorgen
Nov 25 09:20:20 <hercules-c130>	Back again.
Nov 25 09:20:20 <hercules-c130>	Going to contiune these passes for "a bit".
Nov 25 09:20:23 <jbj>	Hi John, all Sat-comm services are temporarily down - that is the sat phone system. I need to get the following message to John Hallett:
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Nov 25 09:26:06 <jbj>	Scratch that - I just spoke to Hallett on the phone. He plans to fly east towards Ottawa for 30 minutes, before evaluating if C130 should continue or return to Cleveland.
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Nov 25 09:26:55 <bernstein>	Good plan... I hope that it pans out well.  NASA-Langley satellite data shows good water just E of Geogrian Bay... on your track to YOW.
Nov 25 09:26:56 <jbj>	The suggestion from Ben was to transit at 5000 ft to evaluate the cloud conditions, maybe sometimes popping up and down, to be in and out of cloud.
Nov 25 09:27:18 <jbj>	George - did you copy that?
Nov 25 09:28:10 <jbj>	John Cowan, can you also relay the above suggestion about 5 kft to John Hallett?
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Nov 25 09:28:35 <bernstein>	The idea for the 5k is to be near cloud top (hopefully in the cloud, of course).
Nov 25 09:28:55 <bernstein>	If you are icing up more than you like, you could pop out of the top to sublimate off the icing.
Nov 25 09:29:07 <bernstein>	A block altitude surrounding cloud top would be ideal... say 5-7kft.
Nov 25 09:29:20 <bernstein>	... or 4-6kft
Nov 25 09:30:29 <jbj>	Hi Stuart - does John Cowan monitor chat? See 5000 ft suggestion above.
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Nov 25 09:33:41 <hercules-c130>	Back again.  My chat is not starting up again without a phone reset.
Nov 25 09:33:53 <jbj>	Hi John,
Nov 25 09:35:08 <hercules-c130>	Hi Jorgen.  Everything seems to be working except Chat today <grin>.
Nov 25 09:35:10 <jbj>	The suggestion is for the C-130 on your present transit to be near cloud top, preferable in cloud for some time to evaluate conditions. Cloud top is expected to be higher as you move further eastwards. Can you get that message to Hallett?
Nov 25 09:35:46 <hercules-c130>	It seems like everytime we turn it deops out. Especially left turns.
Nov 25 09:36:05 <jbj>	What-a-shocker! How has stuarts slides gone today?
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Nov 25 09:44:35 <bernstein>	You appear to just be getting into the edge of these clouds... saw a little pop of 0.1-0.15 LWC... looks more consistent to your E.
Nov 25 09:45:44 <hercules-c130>	We climbed up since we did not want to ice up the instruments.
Nov 25 09:46:21 <bernstein>	Do you plan to pop back down into it a little bit to the east?
Nov 25 09:46:32 <hercules-c130>	Now at 7000.
Nov 25 09:46:46 <bernstein>	What was the height of cloud top?
Nov 25 09:50:08 <bernstein>	Clouds have started to move into Mirabel.  Radiometers are showing a little bit of water at the leading edge.
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Nov 25 09:55:43 <hercules-c130>	We are RTB. Will get ETA when I can. Guessing 1 to 2 hours.\
Nov 25 09:56:37 <hercules-c130>	ETA CLE is about 1 Hour now, Coming back at 8000.
Nov 25 09:57:33 <hercules-c130>	Please let me know you got this ASAP.
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Nov 25 10:00:04 <georgeisaac>	The Twin Otter is now making plans for its flight over Mirabel.  Thanks for looking at cloud to east of Lake Huron
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Nov 25 10:03:58 <bernstein>	OK, thanks for taking a peek into those clouds.  Have a good flight back.
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Nov 25 10:04:46 <hercules-c130>	Back on chat for now.
Nov 25 10:04:59 <hercules-c130>	ETA is 1820 Z or 1320 L
Nov 25 10:05:54 <hercules-c130>	Jorgen if you see this please confirm that you got it.\
Nov 25 10:06:26 <jbj>	Got it, thanks
Nov 25 10:10:15 <hercules-c130>	No the Thanks go to you.  The clouds have cleared below us now, very scattered.
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Nov 25 10:14:27 <bernstein>	Glad to be of help.  There will be some more weak clouds on your way home, at various altitudes.
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Nov 25 10:24:28 <hercules-c130>	Back up until it dies again.
Nov 25 10:25:27 <hercules-c130>	ETA CLE now 1830 Z 1330 L
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Nov 25 10:33:12 <jbj>	OK for revised ETA.
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Nov 25 10:46:49 <hercules-c130>	Well Back again.  The chat client this tine did reconnect evetually.  I guess I can just try and let it run and see if it does it all on it's own.
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Nov 25 10:58:59 <hercules-c130>	ETA now 1811.
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