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Nov 24 07:40:09 <blanc-c130>	Hello, anybody liatening on the ground?
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Nov 24 07:52:55 <hercules-c130>	after 4 attempts, perhaps i'm on??
Nov 24 07:53:10 <blanc-c130>	Ron and John, do you read me?
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Nov 24 07:58:22 <ruth>	John, chat is working.
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Nov 24 07:59:42 <ruth>	FYI, the "Ron"  chat line is logging.
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Nov 24 08:13:37 <cowan>	Looks like there are a lot of dropout still.
Nov 24 08:13:52 <cowan>	Bill is the phone line cutting out?
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Nov 24 08:18:10 <georgeisaac>	This is a test
Nov 24 08:18:36 <georgeisaac>	John:  It would be great if you could fly through the front on your way back to Cleveland
Nov 24 08:20:23 <georgeisaac>	John:  We are going to fly the other 3 aircraft today into the system.  I will update you after our next briefing at 10:30.  However, the Convair will have two flights, the first towards North Bay going through the front this afternoon (1-4pm LT) and the second over Mirabel tonight (6-10pm LT).
Nov 24 08:21:29 <cowan>	Geroge, I'm not on the plane. Sorry.
Nov 24 08:21:53 <georgeisaac>	John:  The Twin Otter is also planning to fly towards Peterborough this afternoon as the front goes through.  The Citation will try and fly up high 20-25kft in the icing being observed in the front.
Nov 24 08:22:20 <georgeisaac>	Is there any way of getting this information to the aircraft?
Nov 24 08:22:31 <cowan>	Ron, There seem to still be issues with chat dropping out on the plane.  Can we tell how the ION is doing? The display on my end looks good.
Nov 24 08:23:02 <cowan>	George If thie chat comes up again we can try.  It's tough right now.
Nov 24 08:25:40 <cowan>	Ron, Is there anyway to get this site to work with Mozilla? I cannot call it up on my new laptop.  I get an error when I try and login.
Nov 24 08:27:17 <cowan>	C-130 now doing a spiral over New York.
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Nov 24 08:34:03 <cowan>	Chat still seems to be down on the plane.  They are in turn though so that might be part of the problem.
Nov 24 08:35:17 <cowan>	We are going to fly the other 3 aircraft today into the system.  I will update you after our next briefing at 10:30.  However, the Convair will have two flights, the first towards North Bay going through the front this afternoon (1-4pm LT) and the second over Mirabel tonight (6-10pm LT).
Nov 24 08:36:35 <cowan>	C-130 from Ground: Convair to fly to Northbay 1300 to 1600 L and Mirabel 1800 to 2200L
Nov 24 08:37:02 <cowan>	Twin otter to fly to peterborogh this afternoon.
Nov 24 08:37:17 <cowan>	Citation to fly high above storm also.
Nov 24 08:37:33 <cowan>	Please let me know you got last 3 messages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 24 08:48:27 <ruth>	John, ION is working well on my end.  I got your messages
Nov 24 08:48:47 <ruth>	I'm off for awhile.
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Nov 24 08:54:12 <cowan>	Convair to fly Northbay at 1300 to 1600, Mirabel at 1800 to 2200 L, Twinotter to fly Petersbogho thisafternoon, Citation to fly high over the front this afternoon also. Please let me know you got this message.
Nov 24 08:55:33 <cowan>	Convair to fly Northbay at 1300 to 1600, Mirabel at 1800 to 2200 L, Twinotter to fly Petersbogho thisafternoon, Citation to fly high over the front this afternoon also. Please let me know you got this message
Nov 24 08:56:11 <cowan>	Blanc please let me know you are there....
Nov 24 08:57:02 <cowan>	Looks like ion did drop data from 1533 to about 1550 on dew point.
Nov 24 09:00:39 <blanc-c130>	hi john, got it, thanks
Nov 24 09:01:09 <blanc-c130>	had to reboot after ok missed approach
Nov 24 09:03:35 <cowan>	George Isaac wants you to fly through the front on your way back. 
Nov 24 09:05:09 <cowan>	I do not see Hercules up on chat yet.
Nov 24 09:14:51 <cowan>	TAF and METAR for KCLE
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	KCLE 241130Z 241212 19016G28KT P6SM OVC035
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	      TEMPO 1214 24016G28KT 4SM -SHRA OVC018
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	     FM1400 25015G30KT P6SM OVC020
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	      TEMPO 1417 5SM -SHRA BR OVC008
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	     FM1700 26015G28KT P6SM OVC030
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	      TEMPO 1721 5SM -SHSN OVC015
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	     FM2100 25014KT P6SM OVC035 PROB30 2303 5SM -SHSN BKN020=
Nov 24 09:15:08 <cowan>	
Nov 24 09:15:32 <cowan>	KCLE 241551Z 25019G28KT 5SM -RA BR SCT012 BKN017 OVC043 01/00 A2977 RMK AO2 PK WND 26037/1516 SLP084 P0001 T00110000
Nov 24 09:15:32 <cowan>	
Nov 24 09:15:32 <cowan>	        
Nov 24 09:15:53 <cowan>	Please let me know you got that on the plane.
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Nov 24 09:24:16 <cowan>	Hi George!
Nov 24 09:24:44 <nicoll>	George is here.
Nov 24 09:35:23 <blanc-c130>	Hi John, we got that.
Nov 24 09:35:23 <blanc-c130>	WE are in strong turbulence, 25 m/s at 2000 ft in boundary layer.
Nov 24 09:35:41 <blanc-c130>	I think the windspeed snd directions are OK for landing into the wind. Will relay to pilots.
Nov 24 09:35:49 <cowan>	Good well chat seems to be holding up now.
Nov 24 09:36:40 <blanc-c130>	yep - pray
Nov 24 09:37:32 <cowan>	Well we are thinking here.  This is giving us some good information to send back to Boulder. I am convinced the problem is on thier end.
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Nov 24 09:39:47 <nicoll>	"Oh murphy, lord of glitches and faux atron saint of engineers, give us this day some good reception and a good phone connection."
Nov 24 09:40:06 <nicoll>	patron.
Nov 24 09:40:34 <nicoll>	That a good enough prayer?
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Nov 24 09:42:45 <hercules-c130>	what's current weather/wind at cleveland?
Nov 24 09:43:41 <cowan>	KCLE 241639Z 25019G23KT 1 3/4SM -SN BR BKN012 OVC018 01/00 A2978 RMK AO2 PK WND 24026/1602 RAE12SNB1555 P0001
Nov 24 09:43:41 <cowan>	
Nov 24 09:43:41 <cowan>	        
Nov 24 09:44:05 <cowan>	Do you want the TAF as well?
Nov 24 09:45:33 <hercules-c130>	english please not for pilots..
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Nov 24 09:47:25 <cowan>	Okay, Winds 250 deg 19 gusting to 23 Knot, 13/4 Miles visability snow and blowing Rain, clouds broken at 1200, overcast at 1800. Peek wind 240 at 26 Knots at 1602.
Nov 24 09:47:31 <nicoll>	Wet rock system says the rock is wet, white, very cold, and starting to roll a bit.
Nov 24 09:50:02 <cowan>	TAF  for pilots:
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Nov 24 09:51:17 <cowan>	TAF for pilots.
Nov 24 09:51:24 <cowan>	KCLE 241621Z 241612 25018G25KT 2SM -SN BR SCT012 BKN016 OVC045
Nov 24 09:51:24 <cowan>	      TEMPO 1618 5SM -SN BR OVC025
Nov 24 09:51:24 <cowan>	     FM1800 26015G28KT P6SM OVC030
Nov 24 09:51:24 <cowan>	      TEMPO 1821 5SM -SHSN OVC015
Nov 24 09:51:24 <cowan>	     FM2100 25014KT P6SM OVC035
Nov 24 09:51:24 <cowan>	      TEMPO 2303 5SM -SHSN BKN020=
Nov 24 09:56:30 <hercules-c130>	ok, thanks, snow huh..
Nov 24 09:57:20 <hercules-c130>	bumpy ride today
Nov 24 09:59:53 <nicoll>	yep, it was sleeting pretty good there for a while, letting up now.
Nov 24 10:00:48 <nicoll>	no precip right now, but gusting wind.
Nov 24 10:01:01 <hercules-c130>	\data sys, hecules totally locked up, no keyboard nor mouse access at 10;40L
Nov 24 10:01:01 <hercules-c130>	had to power down everything to get restarted.  of course no more c-midgets
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Nov 24 10:02:21 <nicoll>	chat has worked great since your reboot.
Nov 24 10:02:56 <nicoll>	why no more cmidgets, did it crash the fwd dsm again?
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Nov 24 10:04:52 <hercules-c130>	wsi has no radar data, bummer, any suggestions
Nov 24 10:04:56 <hercules-c130>	WSI has no radar, they'd like it to figure out how best to come home, any suggestions??
Nov 24 10:05:48 <hercules-c130>	yes, c-midgets crashed fwd dsm as soon as i turned it back on...argh  any wsi radar tips?>?
Nov 24 10:06:29 <nicoll>	red number on top of screen)?
Nov 24 10:07:03 <nicoll>	what was the last update?
Nov 24 10:07:41 <nicoll>	and are all the other udates green or yellow?
Nov 24 10:08:41 <nicoll>	John and Stuart are looking up radar maps on the web for you.
Nov 24 10:09:27 <hercules-c130>	zulu time's are good, but radar numbers are in red and old...wsi computer locked up and microsoft said shut down computer if it does it again consult microsoft for error
Nov 24 10:10:29 <hercules-c130>	it's not going to help, its for research, hallet
Nov 24 10:10:35 <cowan>	Do you want to aviod all weather? The folks in Mirabel wanted you to sample the front on the way back if possible.
Nov 24 10:10:55 <nicoll>	power down WSI and reboot it.
Nov 24 10:11:31 <nicoll>	restart multiplexor and client in back.
Nov 24 10:12:06 <hercules-c130>	zulu time is updating fine, just no radar data...computer seems to be working since reboot but i'll try again
Nov 24 10:12:37 <nicoll>	then go up and exit cockpit client and restart.
Nov 24 10:13:08 <nicoll>	radar data will take 10-15  minutes to come back after this.
Nov 24 10:14:07 <nicoll>	radar data ony comes every other packet set, and then takes a couple of minutes to come up on the screen.
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Nov 24 10:15:42 <hercules-c130>	ok just did, we'll see
Nov 24 10:16:07 <cowan>	So you don't need weather for avoidance?
Nov 24 10:20:01 <hercules-c130>	yeah, it was working great until the computer here in front of me went down with fatal software error and wanting to send error code recommending if it does this again we have a problem with our operating system...???
Nov 24 10:20:01 <hercules-c130>	no we wanted wx radar for max penatration 
Nov 24 10:22:13 <nicoll>	standard microsoft message after heavy duty hard crashes
Nov 24 10:22:46 <cowan>	By Max Penertration you mean the widest part of the front?
Nov 24 10:23:32 <nicoll>	it repairs itself on reboot, then says, in effect, "if this keeps happening, get help."
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Nov 24 10:24:15 <hercules-c130>	when we return you'd better look at it, not sure it's working now...the wsi system..
Nov 24 10:25:56 <cowan>	Ok, we can look at when you get back.  I have the regional radar from Buffalo called up and can give you an idea of where the weather is.
Nov 24 10:28:57 <cowan>	Bill, do you know where the heat shrink bag is? We cannot find it.
Nov 24 10:34:05 <hercules-c130>	last i saw it was in the tool box, behind the top section
Nov 24 10:34:18 <cowan>	Bill, Are you ignoring me <grin>?
Nov 24 10:34:50 <cowan>	Yeah!!!!!! We did not look there.  Thanks Bill.
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Nov 24 10:41:04 <bernstein>	Hello... Ben Bernstein here.  I've tried to raise you guys earlier by George Isaac's request.  Can we talk about your flight plans for the return home today as well as tomorrow's flight plans.
Nov 24 10:42:38 <cowan>	Ben, They just came back up. Hopefully they will see your message.
Nov 24 10:43:06 <bernstein>	OK, if I don't get a reply, I'll repost it.
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Nov 24 10:45:21 <hercules-c130>	chat is back, wsi is back, after another total reboot 
Nov 24 10:45:27 <bernstein>	Hello... Ben Bernstein here.  I've tried to raise you guys earlier by George Isaac's request.  Can we talk about your flight plans for the return home today as well as tomorrow's flight plans?
Nov 24 10:46:09 <hercules-c130>	hang on ben getting john hallet to read this
Nov 24 10:46:15 <cowan>	Man that hurts Bill. 
Nov 24 10:47:55 <hercules-c130>	Ben, we're headed back today now, directly
Nov 24 10:48:25 <bernstein>	Would you like a suggested range of flight altitudes for intercepting icing on your way home?
Nov 24 10:48:38 <blanc-c130>	Hi - Jorgen here, message to George.
Nov 24 10:48:51 <cowan>	Bill, ETA when you get a chance.
Nov 24 10:49:27 <blanc-c130>	C-130 is on the way back from Watertown to Cleveland, transiting at 10 kft, which should be nesr the sloping melting layer.
Nov 24 10:49:34 <hercules-c130>	cowan, what hurts?
Nov 24 10:50:03 <cowan>	Having to reboot they system for the second time.  Rought flight for you.
Nov 24 10:50:16 <blanc-c130>	Plans for tomorrow are yet TBD. To some extent it depends on the forecast. Can we wait until the 3:30 briefing to decide?
Nov 24 10:50:58 <bernstein>	Yes, I believe that we can wait for that.  I haven't heard if a 3:30 briefing is definitely going to occur, since the Convair is going to do an afternoon flight over North Bay.
Nov 24 10:51:55 <hercules-c130>	ETA of 19:10Z, or an hour and 20 minutes
Nov 24 10:52:23 <cowan>	Thanks Bill I'll let the mechs know.
Nov 24 10:52:34 <bernstein>	10000 ft on your way home should be reasonable.  The freezing level will drop hard as you cross the front in W-NY.
Nov 24 10:52:51 <bernstein>	Good chance of getting icing on your way in to land at CLE, too.
Nov 24 10:53:43 <blanc-c130>	Ben, - Yes.
Nov 24 10:54:54 <blanc-c130>	That is yes for estimated flight altitudes on the way back for intercepting ining regions.
Nov 24 10:54:54 <blanc-c130>	Thanks, Ben
Nov 24 10:54:54 <blanc-c130>	Ben, Is the convair definitely going for a late flight tonight, and would that preclude them on an early morning flight?
Nov 24 10:54:56 <hercules-c130>	yeah, john, not much fun this flight, tell you more later..
Nov 24 10:56:02 <bernstein>	Yes, the Convair has 2 flights planned for today.  They just took off to fly over North Bay.  They plan a 2nd flight over YMX in the 0-4Z time frame.
Nov 24 10:56:32 <bernstein>	The Convair will NOT fly the early morning strato-cu deck over YMX tomorrow morning.  The Twin Otter will handle that.
Nov 24 10:56:58 <bernstein>	No 3:30pm briefing this afternoon.  Next briefing is scheduled for 6am eastern time for a possible 7am Twin Otter takeoff.
Nov 24 10:58:29 <blanc-c130>	OK, that makes it more attractive for us to plan for Mirabel early tomorrow, as long at we can work it out with the TwinOtter
Nov 24 11:00:48 <bernstein>	Sounds good.  I hope you guys find something interesting on the way home.  There have been lots of PIREPs, but most are concentrated to the W of a line from BUF to PIT.  Those PIREPs are up high (20+kft), but they come down to your altitude range and below to the west.
Nov 24 11:02:42 <bernstein>	The back edge of the precip has moved through CLE, snow ended, still windy (2615G23), TAF has G28.
Nov 24 11:04:51 <bernstein>	You are approaching the front edge of the precip, which is 1/4 of the way from BUF to ROC.
Nov 24 11:10:10 <blanc-c130>	Thanks, Ben
Nov 24 11:10:10 <blanc-c130>	John Cowan,
Nov 24 11:10:10 <blanc-c130>	Are there any spare metal bars to fix the GNI "rack" onto one of the C-130 racks?
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Nov 24 11:16:40 <cowan>	Jorgen, how much stuff will be in that "rack". How much will it weigh?
Nov 24 11:20:05 <Ron>	ATIS  KCLE 241751Z 26015G23KT 10SM OVC018 00/M03 A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND
Nov 24 11:22:01 <blanc-c130>	Basically the aluminium box that the whole thing came in. You may remember that we had it open during Ideas, and that the rods were held in place with rubber straps.
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Nov 24 11:24:05 <blanc-c130>	It was fixed to the side of the aerosol rack, facing the isle. This time that will be too narrow, so we need to decide on another location.
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Nov 24 11:26:25 <cowan>	Brent says that it might be possible but we will need to check with NASA for the metal and materials.
Nov 24 11:27:24 <hercules-c130>	nezerov probe just burned out we think...we're getting alot of things to do with an early take off tomorrow....??
Nov 24 11:28:11 <cowan>	Okay Bill, This will be our LAST head.
Nov 24 11:28:58 <cowan>	Jorgen, How does the inside part of the tube mount to the plate. Describe the location (up down forward aft) of the handle.
Nov 24 11:36:51 <blanc-c130>	Push the rod all the way through, look at the semicircle at the sklide end. The flat surface should face forward. Look also at the black drawing I made on the lasagna pan for orientation. Does it make sense?
Nov 24 11:44:31 <cowan>	Jorgen, Looks like the catch is up making it so the slide faces forward when exposed?
Nov 24 11:48:47 <hercules-c130>	final report:  nezerov is shot, liquid water has flat lined...wsi is ok after several reboots, everything else is ok, even 2d's as they cleared up after take-off, they'd filled with water, proably need cleaned..hercules has worked fine after reboot, don't know what caused it to lock up...see ya soon, Bill..
Nov 24 11:48:53 <blanc-c130>	Yes - I guess. I cannot remember, b ut The flat surface should face forward.
Nov 24 11:49:49 <bernstein>	Moderate to severe turbulence was just called in between 10000 and 7000 feet near Cleveland by a B737... be ready.
Nov 24 11:49:54 <cowan>	Jorgen,  I have a short hollow sliver tube that looks to go inside the tune that goes out the window.  It has a machined end that looks to fit into the opening is this correct?  We are trying to assemble this before you get back since we will be busy once you are here.
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Nov 24 11:54:40 <bernstein>	Moderate to severe turbulence was just called in between 10000 and 7000 feet near Cleveland by a B737... be ready.
Nov 24 11:55:43 <cowan>	Do we have a new ETA.
Nov 24 11:56:00 <blanc-c130>	Correct. Just make sure that it isn't so long that it makes a bow when inserted. If it bows, then we need to file a bit off the end.
Nov 24 11:56:35 <cowan>	KCLE 241851Z 25025G34KT 10SM OVC026 M01/M05 A2984 RMK AO2 PK WND 24034/1851 SLP109 T10061050
Nov 24 11:57:38 <cowan>	Jorgen, Is there supposed to be a set pin for the siver tube to keep it in place? I don't think the holes are lining up!
Nov 24 11:58:10 <cowan>	Did you get turbiulance reports????????????????????????????
Nov 24 12:00:06 <bernstein>	CLE UUA /OV DJB/TM 1847/FL110/TP SF34/TB MOD-SEV
Nov 24 12:00:34 <bernstein>	LPR UUA /OV DJB270015/TM 1830/FLUNKN/TP B737/TB MOD-SVR 100-070
Nov 24 12:00:53 <bernstein>	LPR UA /OV DJB/TM 1805/FL350/TP DC9/TB MOD/RM ALSO RPTD BY A
Nov 24 12:00:53 <bernstein>	    B737
Nov 24 12:01:04 <bernstein>	LPR is Lorain County airport... just W of CLE.
Nov 24 12:01:39 <bernstein>	Sorry, that report was at 35000... there have been a bunch in the 10k and lower range.
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Nov 24 12:03:22 <bernstein>	LPR UUA /OV DJB270015/TM 1830/FLUNKN/TP B737/TB MOD-SVR 100-070
Nov 24 12:03:33 <bernstein>	I'm sure that you've got the picture...
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