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Nov 07 08:55 <jorgen> That does not suprise me.  I found DPT to be off as well.  Thanks for doing that.  I'll let you know when I leave the airport.
Nov 07 08:55 <hercules-c130> ok
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Nov 07 09:05 <hercules-c130> chat test to grendel
Nov 07 09:06 <blanc-c130> dave from jeff--does the CN flow light go off at altitude? ON the RDMA
Nov 07 09:08 <hercules-c130> what is the name of the chat channel?
Nov 07 09:08 <hercules-c130> we're trying to grt cindy up on grendel.
Nov 07 09:08 <jorgen> Groege: We are looking at the data stream and it looks like the TAS is low? What do you see there? Is the nose breaker pushed in on the power panel?
Nov 07 09:08 <jorgen> The name of the chat channel is #C130Q
Nov 07 09:09 <hercules-c130> i have 146 M/s on winds, yes the nose breaker is in.
Nov 07 09:12 <hercules-c130> test to grendel
Nov 07 09:14 <blanc-c130> hi jorgen, is Dave around?
Nov 07 09:14 <jorgen> Ok, looks like a code error on our end.  Janet will talk to you if she needs to.  
Nov 07 09:15 <hercules-c130> ok
Nov 07 09:16 <dcrogers> Hi, Dave is here. What's up?
Nov 07 09:17 <dcrogers> Jeff - the CN flow light should remain green to indicate air flow is sufficient through the CN counter. It's a volume flow and does not depend on altitude.
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Nov 07 09:17:59 -->	You are now talking on #C130Q
Nov 07 09:18:28 <blanc-c130>	hi dave, we were noticing that the flow light on the CN went off
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Nov 07 09:23:42 <bernstein>	Hello!  Did you see the clouds beneath you near Georgian Bay?  What do you see now?
Nov 07 09:24:09 <blanc-c130>	Dave, we will look it over to see if we can find a reason for the flow to be low
Nov 07 09:24:45 <dcrogers>	Suggest checking that RDMA pump is switched ON. Flows should be ~ 3 - 4 volts. Pressure (RDMAPABS) should be ~50mb less than PSXC.
Nov 07 09:24:51 <blanc-c130>	Hi Ben from Jeff
Nov 07 09:25:11 <bernstein>	Hi Jeff.  Are you having some instrument problems?
Nov 07 09:25:47 <blanc-c130>	Looking...
Nov 07 09:26:30 <blanc-c130>	I see a bkn sc layer maybe a few thousand feet above the deck, more coverage to the north
Nov 07 09:27:12 <blanc-c130>	Ben, nothing we can't handle
Nov 07 09:27:12 <blanc-c130>	Dave from Jeff, we will check, thanks
Nov 07 09:28:01 <bernstein>	OK, thanks. The SC deck is forming up, as we had hoped.  It still needs to get thicker and more widespread... we're hopeful.  I will leave you guys alone... I'm sure that you are very busy.
Nov 07 09:28:07 <grendel-c130>	Dave: The Qs all look OK (a little low but I assume that's normal at altitude). The pump is on. The flow light flicks on occasionally. Are you sure it doesn't go off at 21Kft?
Nov 07 09:31:31 <grendel-c130>	Dave: RDMAPABS says .375 mbar, but it means .375 bar, right?
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Nov 07 09:40:38 <blanc-c130>	dave, the flows seem about right, maybe the light on the CN is just near a threshold
Nov 07 09:40:52 <blanc-c130>	let us know if you think we should check anything else
Nov 07 09:41:06 <blanc-c130>	the pump is pretty hot, but I think that must be normal
Nov 07 09:43:17 <dcrogers>	yes, the rdma pump motor gets hot (too hot to keep your hand on it).  The green FLOW light on the CN counter may be flakey. It goes on/off according to pressure drop across a critical flow orifice.
Nov 07 09:47:54 <cockpit-c130>	we are beginnng desnt to mirabel
Nov 07 09:52:06 <cockpit-c130>	we are appraching clod top - it looks 1000ft thick.  
Nov 07 10:00:01 <dcrogers>	rdma pressure units are BAR. 
Nov 07 10:05:53 <jorgen>	George, John Cowan is heading out for a shopping expedition.
Nov 07 10:10:25 <grendel-c130>	dave, flow lt back on ~16kft. rdmaP units wrong on winds
Nov 07 10:16:24 <bernstein>	Jeff, the clouds are still forming, as well as moving in from the west.  Things should improve over the next 1-2 hours.  Are you willing to stick around for a while?
Nov 07 10:17:41 <bernstein>	It looks like Mirabel is on the edge of the deck... how does it look to you?
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Nov 07 10:22:31 <dcrogers>	WINDS rdma flow units are volts, not LPM. 
Nov 07 10:33:26 <campos>	George, have you turned on the TDL softkey yet?  
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Nov 07 10:38:30 <slasher>	Hi Jorgen
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Nov 07 10:41:31 <jbj>	Hi Dave, is my chat line OK again?
Nov 07 10:41:53 <hercules-c130>	no teresa, i hadn't.  I just turned it on.
Nov 07 10:42:11 <campos>	Thanks, George!
Nov 07 10:42:15 <dcrogers>	Jorgen- yes, your chat is alive.
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Nov 07 10:44:01 <granger2>	names
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Nov 07 10:56:42 <slasher>	Jorgen-  is there any clear air time planned for today's flight?  It would be good to compare aerosol today and yesterday to understand if yesterday's flight was useful...
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Nov 07 11:21:20 <jbj>	Hi Sonia,
Nov 07 11:22:14 <jbj>	Yes, the intent is to go upwind of Mirabel at low altitude after completion of the overflights; that might - air traffic permitting - be a good occasion for a comparison.
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Nov 07 11:39:32 <cockpit-c130>	en  we are  heaqding upwind at 4000ft to look at incominr  aerosol.We will then return to  
Nov 07 11:42:51 <cockpit-c130>	\ cleveland unless things develop. any thoughts/ john
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Nov 07 11:48:48 <bernstein>	Is that question for me?
Nov 07 11:49:25 <bernstein>	If you fly upstream at 4000 ft, you will see the clouds that have filled things in over YOW now.  We are at 7/8 cloud cover now.  If they are of interest to you, they should move over Mirabel soon.
Nov 07 11:49:26 <blanc-c130>	Jorgen or anyone at the hangar, could you have Janet call Rick Purcell at 775 674 7205, and have her help him get on line with chat and the live data display?  John would like to have us test that connection with him.  Jeff
Nov 07 11:51:15 <blanc-c130>	Ben,  The clouds were pretty weak and thin.  If things are really going to get better there might still be time to return and sample.   John was wondering what you thought.  Otherwise, there has been little to work with and we were going to cut and run.  
Nov 07 11:55:56 <bernstein>	One second.
Nov 07 11:56:57 <jbj>	Hi John, I tried phoning Bernstein, but he wasn't there. I have no further requests from here.
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Nov 07 11:58:05 <jbj>	Hi John, I tried calling Bewrnstein, but he wasn't there. We ahve no further requests from Cleveland
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Nov 07 11:59:05 <bernstein>	Jorgen, I am here if you need to call me.
Nov 07 11:59:40 <bernstein>	The clouds should thicken over Mirabel in about 45 minutes.   They won't be spectacular, but certainly better than you have seen.
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Nov 07 12:00:34 <bernstein>	If you don't want to stick around there (or go back), you might consider swinging through the clouds over Ottawa on your way home.  That way, you would sample the same clouds that will move over Mirabel soon.
Nov 07 12:02:01 <bernstein>	At least you would get some penetration into decent clouds out of this trip. 
Nov 07 12:02:25 <bernstein>	...and the clouds would have built off the same airmasses that you sampled yesterday.
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Nov 07 12:12:58 <bernstein>	Hi Dave.  Any talk of trying to penetrate the clouds coming into the YMX area from the west?  How much on-station time do you have left?
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Nov 07 12:15:53 <cockpit-c130>	Ben: We did a modest penetration of Ottawa clouds and are now going home. Thanks for your suggestions. John 
Nov 07 12:16:47 <bernstein>	OK.  Sorry that the clouds didn't make it to YMX as soon as we had hoped.  I hope that the mission was still somewhat useful.
Nov 07 12:17:51 <blanc-c130>	ben, are you able to pull up the real time display of our flight data?  Jeff
Nov 07 12:18:32 <bernstein>	Yes.  
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Nov 07 12:19:13 <bernstein>	Its very nice to be able to see the data like this.  I saw that you had a brief encounter with light SLW.
Nov 07 12:19:29 <blanc-c130>	OK, so you can see a bit of the LWC, etc. we were finding.  Good.  Thanks for the help! Jeff
Nov 07 12:20:25 <bernstein>	No problem.  I wish that it had panned out better.  We're socked in here now... at least 90% so.  Wish that was over YMX... only 60 miles away, but that's an important 60miles.  Have a good flight home.
Nov 07 12:20:44 <bernstein>	We need to discuss the weekend flight plans.  Shall we have a debrief after you land?
Nov 07 12:22:32 <blanc-c130>	Why don't you coordinate that with Jorgen.   We may have to move operations to the hotel soon after landing, so it is best to schedule a time with Jorgen so he can set it up.   I think we will be about another hour +1/2 enroute to landing. 
Nov 07 12:24:16 <bernstein>	Will do.
Nov 07 12:24:44 <blanc-c130>	I think (unofficial) that the plan for the weekend will be tomorrow no-fly look at data and Sunday off.  But that might change based on a suitable forecast. We will discuss after landing and after hearing the forecast.  
Nov 07 12:25:15 <bernstein>	OK
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Nov 07 12:25:57 <jbj>	Given that the C-130 will land about  4 PM, I suggest that we have a debrief at 5 PM. Can we keep that tentative untill we see the C-130 closer to Cleveland?
Nov 07 12:27:49 <blanc-c130>	Jorgen.  Your call, anyway.  Do you want to do this at the hotel a little later to spare the NASA folks?
Nov 07 12:42:00 <jbj>	I prefer to do it out here, as the NASA folks will still be around. I would like a debrief by all at the airport, and then a short conversation with Bernstein also here for interested science staff, who wants to talk to Ben. Any comments?
Nov 07 12:42:10 <blanc-c130>	Fighting 50 m/s headwind on the nose.
Nov 07 12:43:05 <blanc-c130>	Whatever works for you and Ben and NASA.
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